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Is this 'die fokken Antwoord' to all our questions?
Lately I've been pondering the arrival of new rap artists, die Antwoord and Jack Parow. Both have a pseudo trashy or 'Zef' exterior and both swear in ways that would make drill sergeants seem civil. Now its quite apparent that both groups seem aware that are busy being vile and due to their experience and skill the quality of music is not that bad. The thing is, while pretending to act in such a way they actually reach into some deep dark pits that shouldn't necessarily be ventured into. I secretly enjoy them and I feel ashamed at the same time. Do you think there is any value in their music? Do you know of them at all?
ps. Jack Parow insults regular readers of one small seed in one of his songs
ps. Jack Parow insults regular readers of one small seed in one of his songs
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Permalink Reply by giuseppe on -
A Little i do. The quality can;t be bad since when you see who runs die Antwoord, there is more than experience and talent behind. For the rest it is a matter of taste,, to a certain extend. The one might insult one small seed readers, since i mean like what the hell did they do now, and how the fuck can u anyway put them all in one box, anyway,, and the other might say something else to sound mean, angry, different and cool. IT is not like the world did not see it before, Really.With the expreience they have, they could have done something else, instead of trying to impress young teenagers of how bad they are. Bad marketing, that is all what it is,, and it will work, cause bad marketing is marketing as well, and kids love it, and since they are angry with the world anyway, they can relate.. But yeah , musically it is not bad,, they are good.. hope u will enjoy them in future even more as you do now...
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Permalink Reply by sumografika on -
This is just a phase, they will change again as soon as they get tired of doing the same thing for too long. Fact is, their rapping is the best, tightest in the world as far as I'm concerned. They've always liked staying behind the line of success where they could easily be commercial and popular throughout the world – I kinda respect that, maybe it makes them real or maybe they're just out there to have some fun...
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Permalink Reply by Lesibana on -
I don't think that the messages in their tracks are meant to be taken seriously. I have been listening to Waddy Jones and some of the guys involved in sound behind Die Antwoord for some time now and, most of them have a story telling thing to their rap. I don't think that the people from the group are the people they say they are in their songs. They're just telling a story about something. Jack Parow and Ninja are an alter-egos. Like characters from a book. It's the idea that is ground breaking, not so much the music.
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Permalink Reply by Mary Honeychild on -
The value of their music is entirely personal and relies on the listener's own take
I appreciate their dare to be completely original in the way they present themselves as South African rappers. It's not exactly my favourite genre but i share their vision for a difference in the way music is projected in this country.
They are also easier for SA young people to relate to because they poke fun at and point out socio-economic standards and hang-ups of modern living in places as close to home as Cape Town.
They are looking inward and that's admirable. Once one gets over the conservatism one will be able to appreciate that too.
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Permalink Reply by Anton Wessels -
"The thing is, while pretending to act in such a way they actually reach into some deep dark pits that shouldn't necessarily be ventured into. "
I am curious to know what these deep dark pits are that you refer to, and why should they not explore them? Is this not the ethos that they project...not censoring themselves? This is not a new phenomina in music or other literary arts.
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Permalink Reply by SPEAR -
Its admirable if you can balance looking inward and outward @planetspear
Mary Honeychild said:The value of their music is entirely personal and relies on the listener's own take
I appreciate their dare to be completely original in the way they present themselves as South African rappers. It's not exactly my favourite genre but i share their vision for a difference in the way music is projected in this country.
They are also easier for SA young people to relate to because they poke fun at and point out socio-economic standards and hang-ups of modern living in places as close to home as Cape Town.
They are looking inward and that's admirable. Once one gets over the conservatism one will be able to appreciate that too.
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Permalink Reply by Anton Wessels
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@Spear...I understand Mary's comment, thank you. I am questioning whether Chrisp is referring to something more than Mary's interpretation, with the statement I quoted.
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